Joe Grundy
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HYMNS you will never hear at the Kingdom Hall
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have examples of hymns you will never hear in kingdom halls in any country.. here are a few of my favorites:.
https://youtu.be/cjivdc-_njs.
https://youtu.be/7gfvl0ef-be .
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HYMNS you will never hear at the Kingdom Hall
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have examples of hymns you will never hear in kingdom halls in any country.. here are a few of my favorites:.
https://youtu.be/cjivdc-_njs.
https://youtu.be/7gfvl0ef-be .
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HYMNS you will never hear at the Kingdom Hall
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have examples of hymns you will never hear in kingdom halls in any country.. here are a few of my favorites:.
https://youtu.be/cjivdc-_njs.
https://youtu.be/7gfvl0ef-be .
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Porter Resignation: Spousal Abuse: Mormons = JWs?
by Joe Grundy inreading the reports of porter's (alleged?
) physical abuse of his ex-wives, i was struck by a few things:.
- abuse was reported to (mormon) church leaders.
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Joe Grundy
Reading the reports of Porter's (alleged?) physical abuse of his ex-wives, I was struck by a few things:
- Abuse was reported to (Mormon) church leaders. Victim encouraged to stay and try harder.
- Victim told to consider impact on abuser's career if incidents reported.
- Church leader (Hatch) quick to come out in support of abuser.
This reminded me very much of reports I have read here and elsewhere of JW victims and the 'don't bring reproach' mantra.
JG
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Is it 16?
by Jrjw inhi can anyone tell me if it's true the society says parents must take their child to meetings until they're 16 even if they don't want to?
my ex is being a pain about me not forcing my 12 year old to be a witness.
he doesn't know i'm becoming inactive at moment so i have to be careful how i word things to him.
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Dear jrjw
I'm not a frequent poster here, and I never was a jw, but I'd like to assist if I can. I was a UK cop for 30 years and I know a little bit of stuff about a few things.
I understand that you're married to, but separated from, a dub with whom you have a one year old child. The separation has a legal element to it, in that his access to the child is regulated. You also have a 12 year old child which is not his and over which he has no legal rights. Not so?
You are doing a 'fade' and are renting a property for you and your children - which happens to be owned by dubs. You have signed a 12 month lease on that property.
You plan to move to another part of the UK when you can to assist your fade (and your separation).
Do I have this right? Is this lease in England & Wales or Scotland?
Cheers.
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Debating a Christian at work.
by pseudoxristos ina christian at work has been after me for more than a year to go to his church and be saved.
i like the guy and consider him a friend and have been politely trying to avoid the subject.
i have recently decided that enough is enough and i told him i would discuss religion with him.
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Debating a Christian at work.
by pseudoxristos ina christian at work has been after me for more than a year to go to his church and be saved.
i like the guy and consider him a friend and have been politely trying to avoid the subject.
i have recently decided that enough is enough and i told him i would discuss religion with him.
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To OP:
I think you're right that you can't debate experiences.
Most fundies IME hold to the following:
Creation (see Cofty's excellent series of posts on this)
OT foretelling the messiah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5RfScpEcZ8 is an excellent watch re the veracity of the OT)
Inerrancy of the NT - read/watch some of Bart Ehrman's work on this.
('This lass' Prof Dr Francesca Stavrakapoulou, is a well respected authority and has made some excellent programmes on the historicity of the bible, including for the BBC, which are worth watching.)
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How does the WTS explain away THIS scripture?
by Searching ini'm honestly in awe about this particular scripture (and honestly i can't keep thanking jwfacts enough for providing biblical contradictions to the jw doctrine!).
"john said to him: "teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us.
" but jesus said: "do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me; for he that is not against us is for us.
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This is from Bart Ehrman's (subscription) blog, which I highly recommend. I'm not sure if I'm alowed to share it, but I don't think he'd mind. It talks about the earliest diversity:
The key point is that the differences affect not just the resurrection appearances. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Destro and Pesce have maps of Palestine for each of the Gospels where they shade in where Jesus does or says anything. And the four different maps are very different indeed. In the three maps that provide shading for what you find in Mark, in the “special sources of Matthew” (that is, the material that Matthew has acquired from sources other than Mark or Q), and in the “special sources of Luke” – the only place of any overlap is Jerusalem. Mark has activities of Jesus up in Tyre, Sidon, Caesarea Philippi – basically places north and northwest of the Sea of Galilee. Luke’s special material does not have these places, but instead has places on the southern coast of the Mediterranean heading east to Jerusalem; Matthew’s special source has some overlap with Mark, but mainly it’s all up in Galilee north, east, and NE of the sea of Galilee. John on the other hand has almost none of that, but instead has a areas in Samaria and Judea. And so on.
Destro and Pesce use these data to make a very interesting argument. They think that Jesus, during his public life, was active in a number of areas of Galilee and Samaria and the Transjordan. In various places he would have acquired followers, who could not physically follow him around since, well, they did have to work for a living in order to eat. After his death, these groups of followers would have continued to adhere to his teachings – as they understood them. They would have told stories about him. Their views would have developed. And there is absolutely no reason to think that these various groups would have thought the same things about Jesus, remembered the same things about him, recalled the same teachings from him, or interpreted these teachings in the same way.
In other words, immediately as soon as “Christianity” (however we define that) began after Jesus’ death, there would have been small groups of Jesus’ followers in different places with different views. And these different interest groups’ stories are the ones that eventually were brought together in the various Gospels.
Destro and Pesce do not tie this into Bauer’s thesis about orthodoxy and heresy, but the connections are hard to miss. Diversity in the early Christian movement did not start with the Gnostics and Marcion in the middle of the second century. It was there from the beginning, as different followers of Jesus in different places had different understandings of what he said, what he did, and what he meant. These groups would have heard at different times that Jesus was raised from the dead. They would not have been connected with each other, unified with each other, seeing one another as all members of the same church. They were simply the followers of Jesus who may have known that there were other followers elsewhere (or not). We shouldn’t think of Christianity as starting out as ONE group of Jesus’ followers, who all swore allegiance to the disciples who set up the church in Jerusalem. It would have been scattered, disunified groups throughout Palestine. From the very beginning.
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Told My Parents Yesterday That I Don't Want to Be a JW
by Saethydd ini wasn't entirely sure what to expect when i made the decision to tell my parents how i really feel, but i was prepared for the worst, fortunately, it didn't come to that.
after i told them i didn't want to go to the meetings anymore it led to a long talk with them.
they made a number of irksome and woefully uninformed statements but at least they were not aggressive and have said that they won't force me to move out over this, though, i can tell they are hoping they can convince me to "accept the truth," as long as i still live with them.
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"Get a good King James Version and throw away the NWT."
The KJV (AV) has much to commend it as literature of its time.
You may find this interesting (skip the first ten minutes of intros):
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BBC Radio 4 feature on child Abuse
by Isambard Crater inon the radio this morning.
here is the link:.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08njt79.
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I highly recommend this - the JW bit is 26minute on.
Kudos to BBC R4 - a very highly respected international news source - for publishing this.